The album You could totally be next to me by Jenny Berger Myhre & Opuntia (Camila de Laborde) was released in december 2025. Here follows a conversation about the process and other related things. Enjoy!
Jenny & Camila did this interview together in a little restaurant in Oaxaca, Mexico. The recording starts just after Camila got her very fresh lemonade.
If want to listen to the conversation, the recording is here:
J: Delicious!
C: Oh my god..!
J: Cold? Sour? You said no sugar…
O: I know. I didn’t know they were going to put so much lemon into it.
J: [Jenny tastes it too] Oh my god, haha! Mhm…
O: I did ask without sugar.
J: She was asking for a reason. And we see that now… Fresh.
O: This is good for you though. Yeah, it’s okay. I can do it.

In what order, if any, did you build up the tracks?
J: I remember the first session I had with the modular synth was with Niklas. Together we patched it, and then I recorded what would be the third track, which is ‘Tom’s hi-hats, everything.’ So that was sort of the first thing that I recorded, without having heard any of your dreams at that point. And then the first track, which is ‘Blind Me With Light’ – I think that’s the first voice message you sent, because you recorded it with your phone. That was before you got the recorder. [Jenny sent Camila a little Roland dictaphone recorded at the beginning of this project, for it to be easier for her to record her voice just after waking up].
O: Mm-hmm. I also remember that it was sort of like, at least for me, the start of the narration. I really remember that it was… Everything felt like the beginning, or the first time that I was… I was sending you a recording with sort of like an intention behind. And it was this start, and that’s why I felt… I spoke about my breakfast, the start of things, the beginning of things.
J: The first time in a long time you were going to …
O: take dance lessons. So I think it was a beautiful coincidence that it was kind of like the first song too, because it really was like the start of many things.
J: This piece was broadcasted on radio in 2022, before it became an album. And I used part of your recording where you were saying: “Oh, this is gonna be so exciting! You’re making this piece!” You kind of had this meta perspective on the fact that you were excited about hearing what would come out of it.
O: Mhm.
J: It’s nice. I tend to like using those bits in my music that are quite personal, but they give the listener a kind of view of like… the feeling of making as well?
O: The process, no? All the little parts that form part of it, not just the result. It’s like the the story behind a process. Yeah, super nice.
J: I don’t usually make music that is rhythmical. A lot of the music I make is very flowing and more harmonic. There’s not necessarily a lot of rhythm in it. And then I had recorded that part for ‘Tom’s, hi-hats, everything’ before you sent me the dream of of the drum machine..! And I was like “gaaaah, this is so perfect!”
O: Coincidence!! Yeah, really nice synchronicity moments in a way.
J. Yeah. I also recorded the music for ‘Death Doesn’t Leave My Dreams’ before you sent the dream, but that part was much more like it sculpting around. And I spent a lot of time finding a way to use your recording without cutting out important parts, but also without using the whole thing. Because for you, it was a very emotional dream. And you took a long time telling about it because it took time for you to… at least that’s what I heard in my end of it, that it took time for you to kind of unravel what you had dream?
O: Yeah, unravel and also… Yeah I think Iliterally took time. Probably in that recording there were a lot of moments of silence, because I would sometimes speak, and then not say… Being in bed, lying down and not say anything for like… 15 minutes or more! Often sometimes even fall asleep and wake up and be like, oh… But I think I remember in that I was telling you the dream and I wanted to share the dream, but I also — which I think is mentioned in the song — I was trying really hard not to put the focus on the sad things about the dream. I was trying to think of the things of the dream that called my attention, that weren’t the most…
J: And we also left that out from the song. Those parts that you told.
O: Yeah, so there’s a hidden… There’s something unsaid, but I think you can hear it in the music. So that’s a really nice thing about the correspondence too, that you were able to follow those energies and either complement: you know, choose where you’re going to emphasize in the music a little bit, like the energy and where not. That was a very interesting balance, I think.
J: Yeah, and we had like a few versions of that one. The time limitation was one thing, but I think it’s also like it took a little time to get the shape right to that piece.
O: A lot of delicate work put into it so that it didn’t become extreme, like that it was just, I don’t know how to say it…
J: Yeah. I remember I showed it to Jenny Hval, our friend, to ask her “am I painting too much emotion into this?” because with the strings for instance, placing them around some things that you’re saying – could it become too much? She told me, well, “some things that are very obvious to you might not be too obvious for other people”. So there’s this balance of knowing how much to tell, and not.
[The food arrives! Yummm]
O: Gracias. Oh, wow.
J: We’re gonna get very full.
O: A lot of tortillas.
J: Amazing… And then the last track is quite different from the others because that’s sort of the only one that is like… I mean, for me that is in a way like a little song. Even though it has the same shape as the other things. I played it on the piano. Yeah, it was a little bit separate in a way, but I knew I wanted to… Because in the beginning of this project I also included more dreams of my own. And then as it unfolded, I realized that I wanted… To be honest, your dreams were just so much more interesting. To me at least.
O: I felt that it was really nice that you only responded with a dream where we were both together in the dream.
J: Exactly.
O: I thought that was a really nice way to respond. It’s like I’m sharing all these dreams and then you replied with like, well… the response is a dream of us. Finally meeting in this dreamy universe in a way.
J: Yeah.
O: And for me, I don’t think I heard the piece until it was finished. For me it was receiving… and that was also super, super emotional. I didn’t hear all the edits you did. I didn’t hear all the versions. I just heard the final. I remember I just cried! [Laughing]
J: [Laughing] I was quite nervous to send it to you, just because it felt so intimate and I was like, well, what if you feel exposed, or you feel that I’m not taking care of your dreams somehow. So I was so happy when you sent the voice message having heard it.
O: I felt honored, like very honored that my voice recordings and my… that it was taken with such delicacy, you know… It felt really accurate and really in touch and… For me it didn’t feel exaggerated. Nothing felt overly done. It just felt like… Like as if it could have been the soundtrack in my dreams, you see what I mean? Exactly the soundtrack that could’ve been in my dreams. So that was really nice.
J: [Laughing]
They have asked how was the process was, which I think we sort of just spoke about. And then they’ve asked: Improvisation versus composition, how do you reflect on that?
J: I think we have a similar approach to those things, because both of us work by… we compose by recording. Recording, recording, recording, and then editing and editing and editing. It’s not like we sit down and we know what we’re gonna record fully and then we record that. It’s more like the ideas come as we play.
O: Mhm, mhm, mhm.
J: At least for me it’s very much like that. And for a long time I felt, I don’t know, I felt like an underdog kind of thing about that. I was like, “Oh, but I should know in advance” or something. That there’s something better about having a clear idea of what you want. But little by little I realized that knowing what you want with the material that you already have gathered, is also a way of composing. You’re making all these choices but you start with something – rather than starting with something in your head – you start with something that you output. I really enjoy that way of making music.
O: Sort of like a stream of consciousness. And things having like… Your idea is equally important as whatever is happening, or the sound itself. So if you’re like on the modular and a really cool sound comes, you’re not gonna ditch that sound because of your idea that you had in mind.
J: Exactly.
O: So it’s also a correspondence, of just being like “how does one sound bring the next sound”. And you know, that’s a really nice way of creating. Just letting it be.
J: Because you have to be open to whatever happens and not resist that. Yeah, be open to whatever comes. I really like the image that, for instance, David Lynch has of getting ideas. It’s a bit like fishing and that the ideas are the fish, and you don’t own the fish. You don’t own the ideas. They are there and you have to tune in to get them, and for me…
O: Exactly. And you can’t stop – if you dare to block that from happening, it’s like… I feel it’s kind of like a crime… or why would you do that, you know? You can always edit and select and change.You also get better at it with time.
J: Yeah.
O: The more you fish, the better you will get at fishing, I guess. Same.
J: Do you fish?
O: No.
J: Me neither. [Laughs]
Wow, we’re getting even more food.
O: I feel like I’m in the house of somebody… That somebody cooked. Well, that is what happened. You know what I mean? Like, my grandma.
J: Yeah, we are in a house. We are at the second floor of a house. And the living room only has tables and chairs. With beautiful colors, a wild painting of a deer with a bird nest in its antlers.
O: And a green wolf.
J: Yeah.
O: And a colibri.
J: And spicy guacamole.
O: Very spicy. I mean I did say “without sugar” and we did say “spicy”. We’ve got exactly that.
J: We’ve got what we asked for.

Speech plus music. Did you find inspiration from other work (contemporary or historic)?
J: I think my biggest inspiration for voice in music – I mean, spoken word in music – because there are so many who do amazing things with singing, but spoken word: It’s Robert Ashley, the American composer who has made some really beautiful long form pieces. Often just like… He has a piece that is mainly tabla, the Indian percussion, and a text that’s being read. And he made some operas as well, which is like a lot of spoken word and they are often just the narration of a story, or I imagine them as… I don’t know. They’re a mix of music, of radio work, or like a auditive film. Almost like as if he’s reading a script of a film
O: And it was his voice?
J: I think so. Yeah, it’s really soft and delicate the way he’s reading it. It’s really beautiful. Sometimes quite inaudible, it can be difficult to hear what he’s saying. Other times very clear and you follow the narration perfectly and the music is just really beautiful. So, [Robert Ashley] is like one big for me. And then I really love Luc Ferrari as well, which is another composer who works a lot with field recording and he also has some parts of his compositions where… You’re so definitely in a place because he’s using his field recordings, and then someone is whispering something to you, as if it’s very important.
And Felicia Atkinson I really like, who also uses narration. Jenny Hval also uses it really beautifully in a lot of her pieces. Both her own voice and other people’s voices, and conversations.
O: Mhm. She does it great. I mean, Laurie Andersson is always an amazing storyteller.
J: Yeah, she’s brilliant. I really love this Danish composer as well called Henning Christiansen. Niklas showed it to me a while back. He was a Fluxus artist and he made all kinds of artwork, both music and paintings and performance art, political art, situations. And his music is composed of recordings that he made and then edited together. But sometimes there is more like someone saying something, well… you can’t tell. It’s more like characters than narration.
Oh I also love Dry Cleaning! Very different reference, but yeah. They’re this like post-punk band, maybe? I’m bad with genres, but they’re contemporaries. They make very catchy pop songs and the vocalist has this incredible low-pitched voice and her texts are… basically… It sounds like she writes everything down that she hears people say, things she overhears in the street, and then she puts it together to this quite on point, daily life lyrics that say a lot about certain things, but they’re also quite absurd, and jumping from situation to situation. Like “Don’t touch my gaming mouse, you rat!” That’s one of the lyrics.
O: So amazing.
J: Yeah, really fun.

A very nice question. They ask:
“Did you dream about the record after making it?”
J: I wish I could say yes.
O: Yeah, me too!
J: I don’t think I have.
O: Me neither. I mean…
J: You can’t decide what you dream.
O: We’ve kept…no, you can’t choose. We definitely have kept sharing dreams, or recordings. It’s not something that stopped once the piece was over. We keep doing it. And I’m pretty sure between those dreams we’ve dreamt, also we’ve visited each other in our dreams.
J: Yeah. I rarely dream about music at all, do you?
O: Um, I don’t remember the sound per se, but I definitely do dream a lot with concerts. Playing concerts or seeing concerts that mean a lot to me.
J: Wow.
O: Yeah.
J: If I dream about concerts, I dream that I was supposed to be on stage, but I forgot and now I’m in my underwear and I have to run upstage, but I have to find something to wear… and I also were supposed to do visuals. Like, “oh no, I forgot!”
O: That sounds incredibly stressful.
J: “There’s no projector!” Yeah, for me, concerts are always stressful in dreams. I wish I would dream like a nice concert where I don’t have to do anything.
O: I mean, I’ve dreamt that we’ve played concerts together.
J: Yeah?
O: I think I told you once, that in my dream I hadn’t played for a really long time. I had been like sort of like not making music in a bit, and it was a concert where we were together.
J: True. I remember this.
O: And when I woke up I was like, that was so reassuring. I was like, ah!
J: Yeah, ready to play again.
O: That must be a sign.
J: Yeah [laughs]
O: I’ve dreamt I’ve played multiple concerts in the same night. And how they change. Like one went really well, one did not. And all in the same night. But, yeah, I wish I remembered the music. It’s so amazing.
J: I’ve had several dreams… I think maybe two dreams where I dreamt that I was deaf. That I knew that I couldn’t hear anything.
O: Oh, that’s so scary.
J: In the dreams, it was peaceful. In the dreams, it was like, I just accepted it. And I started…
O: A relief?
J: Yeah, I started just enjoying other things. And I started enjoying imagining what other people would hear. Looking at people and then… I was sort of on the outside. I think that’s one thing that I enjoy about dreams, that you are sort of… If it’s not too emotional, you can have this outside perspective that you can’t really have in real life, unless you watch a film of course, but when you’re in a situation with other people it’s rude not to engage [laughs]. But I do really enjoy the leaning back and just observing and kind of imagining what other people are thinking or feeling.
O: You also get the chance to react different ways to how you would react in normal life.
J: Yep. Be more angry than you would.
O: Or calmer, like, oh, I don’t mind this at all.
J: Yeah, it’s like a testing ground for your brain.

Will you continue your collaboration with future releases or performances?
J: Yes!
O: Yeah! Yeah.
J: Most certainly. We have a plan on continuing doing this till we’re old!
O: Yeah.
J: Imagine the record we’re making when we’re 70.
O: We’re making a retrospective of friendship. That’s gonna be really cool.
J: Yeah. The beauty of us not living, in the same part of the world even… We don’t get to see each other so often, so I think if we were collaborating constantly, then maybe you run out of ideas or you run out of interest or something. But I have the feeling that… that’s the good part of us not seeing each other so often.
O: It’s our way of speaking, no? Like to each other. Like it’s our way of catching up. I feel like it’s like a… Yeah. Because that’s how sometimes it felt like, you know, when you send me the pieces… Like, it’s a different way of saying like “hey, how are you, I’m here I’m thinking of you”. It’s a different way of catching up, but through creative work. I respond with something additional to what you’ve created, and that’s another way of communicating and another way of having a correspondence. Similar to letters or any sort of exchange.
J: Exactly, and then similar to letters, the distance makes things maybe take more time and thus maybe there’s more reflection on how am I really, or what’s really going on in my life. And the fact that we are friends mean that we get to reflect on these things for each other.
O: Yeah. What’s the resume, a little bit…
J: Take a step back and see what is going on. It’s sometimes hard with the people who are right next to you all the time.
O: Yeah.
J: You’re my mountain top. I can go to you and have a view and look out. [Laughs]
O: Yeah, like “What’s been happening here?”
J: “Wow, I’m here!”
O: Yeah, for me too. For me too.

B&W photo by Daniel de Laborde, other photos by Jenny.
























